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Why the hell di that old & ugly mustached guy was loving that kid?? Did he thought he could get him? foolish man… What the hell is that blood on his head? please explain me…
@ mat:
“The old & ugly mustached guy” was simply fascinated by the beauty of this boy (I’d like to know with whom *you* are obsessed with, when you reach this age……)
And of course, appropriately, he was the cover image on that Bible of all milkboy devotees, Germaine Greer’s “The Beautiful Boy.” And apparently he raised a stink over it too.
Death in Venice, 1970 is considered a classic. However, I didn’t think it was all that good. The movie can be summarized in one line. Man has the hots for the cute boy, the man gets sick and dies. “Eban and Charly”, 88min, 2000, deals with the same subject but told in modern day context. Due to the controversial subject matter, this title is hard to find but it is a good story.
Immer wieder erstaunlich, welche Reaktionen dieser alte Schinken auslöst ^^
by the way, ich mag den Film auch sehr gerne - nicht zuletzt wegen der schönen Musik von Mahler…
Guys,guys!! Know your classics!.Before judging.. the net is there to explore what u don`t know yet, but there r some classics you oughtta know about…and I don`t mean this in a judgemental way.
Thank whoever , for my parents and their thoughts on upbringing children.
Don`t be so narrowminded as all the others and look a bit further than the interests you have!!
So go to a park read a book, listen to beautifull music, enjoy the sun and spring, and feel like Rimbaud, I say.
Bjorn Andresen, widely know at the time as “The Most Beautiful Boy in the World”. Of the course the movie, story, and music is European … hard to imagine the Americans being able to describe a teenage boy as “The Most Beautiful Boy in the World” …… even if he was.
I always found him rather effete and almost asexual. The bathing suit doesn’t do him any favours, especially in the downstairs department, where he looks to have been a rather late developer.
@ Geo: only because he wasn’t asked and didn’t get anything out of it.
Andresen btw is a music teacher in Sweden today. And he looks quite worn out and jaded. He never understood what he was doing beside the most wonderful Dirk Bogarde. He was just being beautiful, that’s all.
Death in Venice…very moving film, although I never read the story. Dirk Bogarde is the male adult, and that is not blood runnning down his head, it is the dye from his hair. The point being, that he dyes his hair to look younger in the hope that the boy will find him attractive. But he succeeds only in looking faintly ridiculous, even in death he has no dignity.
He is in love with the youth and the beauty of the boy, but these things are unattainable to him. The movie portrays the agony and the futility of his struggle to enter into a relationship with the god-like boy.
Death in Venice is the most beautiful movie I’ve ever seen. It changed my life. I have the DVD here with me and many photogrpahs of Tadzio in my apartment. I wrote a one hundred page essay on the Aschenbach - Tadzio relationship in the film, not in the novella. In this movie, everything is important ; the name of the boat on which is Aschenbac when he arrives in Venice, The costumes of the people in 1911. The manners, etc. the constant shadow of Death… And it is based on a real life experience : As you may know, Thomas Mann, the author, was in Venice in 1911 and actually met a gorgeous Polish boy, whose companions called Tadziou. And there is a reason for that, also. Anyway, I could write endlessly on the topic. Especially, at this time of the year, it’s a good idea to watch that movie, that masterpiece again. Thanks a lot. Claude
Claude- you should really hunt down a book called At Swim, Two Boys.
i think Apocalypse Now was based on another novella by the same author. I’m afraid I found the boy rather feminine too though I have fond memories of watching a “gay” film late one night when my parents had gone to bed lol.
Summerson, Apocalypse Now is based (at least nominally) on Conrad’s Heart of Darkness, rather than on anything by Mann. Still, Conrad and Mann are of roughly the same literary movement, and both novellas are shot through with Nietzsche - Death in Venice with the Apollonian/Dionysian dichotomy, Heart of Darkness (arguably) with the notion of the Übermensch – so I suppose tenuous parallels can be drawn.
Yes, Summerson, I would like to read that book At Swim, Two Boys. I read many books about teenagers. I wrote a four part novel about a frienship between two boys, SKATEBOARD is the title. Written in French, my native language. I agree with you that the boy Tadzio is rather femimine, maybe because of his long hair, and the way he is dressed; but when you watch him playing on the beach he is simply a normal kid of thirteen or fourteen years old. And, in 1970, the young Bjorn Andresen, who plays the role of Tadzio, was a normal straight Swedish boy. A most beautiful one! You can reach me at simardclaude@sympatico.ca . Thanks, Claude
It seems that the Director Visconti had problems raising the money for the whole film project. When he asked Hollywood for some backing money Visconti was told that he would have to change the boys role to that of a girl, thereby creating the Lolita syndrome again. A boy Lolita was too taboo for mainstream America.
Visconti rejected Hollywood’s offer. And thank God he did. I thought Bjorn was perfectly cast. But it did seem rather comical that the German actor Helmut Berger, as beautiful as he was, thought that he should have been given the role of Tadzio.
After ‘Venice’ Bogarde thought he could achieve no more. In Venice he had reached his pinnacle.
And what great choices of music for the film. Oooh that Mahler’s Fifth Symphony. That worked so well as Bogarde tried to flee Venice. As tears filled his eyes while escaping in the gondola, he realized the awful truth that he was in love with Tadzio. One of the film’s many high points.
‘Death in Venice’ A tour de force.
The little video captures the whole of the man’s love for the boy and the boy’s acceptance of the man’s love. Let’s write the story where it is consumated. What do you say?
Come on, guys.
This was one of the most beautiful movies with the most beautiful boy ever.
I’m sure we can all relate.
Tell me you never saw someone so outrageously beautiful that you didn’t turn to look or even follow him.
I have. Almost every day.
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May 6th, 2008 at 23:52
Why the hell di that old & ugly mustached guy was loving that kid?? Did he thought he could get him? foolish man… What the hell is that blood on his head? please explain me…
May 7th, 2008 at 00:09
this is from an old movie death in venice from a thomas mann story
May 7th, 2008 at 00:22
@ mat:
“The old & ugly mustached guy” was simply fascinated by the beauty of this boy (I’d like to know with whom *you* are obsessed with, when you reach this age……)
This is how the the actor looks now, btw: http://a2.vox.com/6a00c2252af56e8e1d00e398be23620005-320pi
May 7th, 2008 at 00:41
A masterpiece! What a beautiful death ;-)
May 7th, 2008 at 01:02
That film kills me every time I watch it. I second CycyLolo. Absolute masterpiece.
May 7th, 2008 at 01:44
And of course, appropriately, he was the cover image on that Bible of all milkboy devotees, Germaine Greer’s “The Beautiful Boy.” And apparently he raised a stink over it too.
May 7th, 2008 at 03:30
@ mat : As you said ” you don’t understand ” , so stop making judgment of what you don’t comprehend .
May 7th, 2008 at 04:31
the old guy in the picture above, looks like brian cox….sort of…LOL
May 7th, 2008 at 04:41
Death in Venice, 1970 is considered a classic. However, I didn’t think it was all that good. The movie can be summarized in one line. Man has the hots for the cute boy, the man gets sick and dies. “Eban and Charly”, 88min, 2000, deals with the same subject but told in modern day context. Due to the controversial subject matter, this title is hard to find but it is a good story.
May 7th, 2008 at 11:56
Immer wieder erstaunlich, welche Reaktionen dieser alte Schinken auslöst ^^
by the way, ich mag den Film auch sehr gerne - nicht zuletzt wegen der schönen Musik von Mahler…
Grüßle
May 7th, 2008 at 14:15
Guys,guys!! Know your classics!.Before judging.. the net is there to explore what u don`t know yet, but there r some classics you oughtta know about…and I don`t mean this in a judgemental way.
Thank whoever , for my parents and their thoughts on upbringing children.
Don`t be so narrowminded as all the others and look a bit further than the interests you have!!
So go to a park read a book, listen to beautifull music, enjoy the sun and spring, and feel like Rimbaud, I say.
May 7th, 2008 at 15:32
Bjorn Andresen, widely know at the time as “The Most Beautiful Boy in the World”. Of the course the movie, story, and music is European … hard to imagine the Americans being able to describe a teenage boy as “The Most Beautiful Boy in the World” …… even if he was.
I always found him rather effete and almost asexual. The bathing suit doesn’t do him any favours, especially in the downstairs department, where he looks to have been a rather late developer.
May 7th, 2008 at 16:22
@ Geo: only because he wasn’t asked and didn’t get anything out of it.
Andresen btw is a music teacher in Sweden today. And he looks quite worn out and jaded. He never understood what he was doing beside the most wonderful Dirk Bogarde. He was just being beautiful, that’s all.
@starboy: THANKS!! :-)
Max
May 7th, 2008 at 16:25
Death in Venice…very moving film, although I never read the story. Dirk Bogarde is the male adult, and that is not blood runnning down his head, it is the dye from his hair. The point being, that he dyes his hair to look younger in the hope that the boy will find him attractive. But he succeeds only in looking faintly ridiculous, even in death he has no dignity.
He is in love with the youth and the beauty of the boy, but these things are unattainable to him. The movie portrays the agony and the futility of his struggle to enter into a relationship with the god-like boy.
May 7th, 2008 at 17:33
Did anyone notice, in the elevator scene, the man has one eyeglass ear thing missing?
And I thought the boy had a nice package.
May 7th, 2008 at 18:23
Death in Venice is the most beautiful movie I’ve ever seen. It changed my life. I have the DVD here with me and many photogrpahs of Tadzio in my apartment. I wrote a one hundred page essay on the Aschenbach - Tadzio relationship in the film, not in the novella. In this movie, everything is important ; the name of the boat on which is Aschenbac when he arrives in Venice, The costumes of the people in 1911. The manners, etc. the constant shadow of Death… And it is based on a real life experience : As you may know, Thomas Mann, the author, was in Venice in 1911 and actually met a gorgeous Polish boy, whose companions called Tadziou. And there is a reason for that, also. Anyway, I could write endlessly on the topic. Especially, at this time of the year, it’s a good idea to watch that movie, that masterpiece again. Thanks a lot. Claude
May 7th, 2008 at 19:36
Claude- you should really hunt down a book called At Swim, Two Boys.
i think Apocalypse Now was based on another novella by the same author. I’m afraid I found the boy rather feminine too though I have fond memories of watching a “gay” film late one night when my parents had gone to bed lol.
May 8th, 2008 at 00:09
Summerson,
Apocalypse Now is based (at least nominally) on Conrad’s Heart of Darkness, rather than on anything by Mann. Still, Conrad and Mann are of roughly the same literary movement, and both novellas are shot through with Nietzsche - Death in Venice with the Apollonian/Dionysian dichotomy, Heart of Darkness (arguably) with the notion of the Übermensch – so I suppose tenuous parallels can be drawn.
May 8th, 2008 at 02:47
Yes, Summerson, I would like to read that book At Swim, Two Boys. I read many books about teenagers. I wrote a four part novel about a frienship between two boys, SKATEBOARD is the title. Written in French, my native language. I agree with you that the boy Tadzio is rather femimine, maybe because of his long hair, and the way he is dressed; but when you watch him playing on the beach he is simply a normal kid of thirteen or fourteen years old. And, in 1970, the young Bjorn Andresen, who plays the role of Tadzio, was a normal straight Swedish boy. A most beautiful one! You can reach me at simardclaude@sympatico.ca . Thanks, Claude
May 8th, 2008 at 03:10
@ batz
myself maybe ;) ? lOl
and sorry I dont particulary like this kind of old movie
May 8th, 2008 at 06:29
It seems that the Director Visconti had problems raising the money for the whole film project. When he asked Hollywood for some backing money Visconti was told that he would have to change the boys role to that of a girl, thereby creating the Lolita syndrome again. A boy Lolita was too taboo for mainstream America.
Visconti rejected Hollywood’s offer. And thank God he did. I thought Bjorn was perfectly cast. But it did seem rather comical that the German actor Helmut Berger, as beautiful as he was, thought that he should have been given the role of Tadzio.
After ‘Venice’ Bogarde thought he could achieve no more. In Venice he had reached his pinnacle.
And what great choices of music for the film. Oooh that Mahler’s Fifth Symphony. That worked so well as Bogarde tried to flee Venice. As tears filled his eyes while escaping in the gondola, he realized the awful truth that he was in love with Tadzio. One of the film’s many high points.
‘Death in Venice’ A tour de force.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:57
Cool, but there’s another creepy old guy in the video!! :(
May 8th, 2008 at 12:36
The little video captures the whole of the man’s love for the boy and the boy’s acceptance of the man’s love. Let’s write the story where it is consumated. What do you say?
There is also a great Benjamin Britten Opera of ‘Death In Venice’:
http://www.amazon.com/Britten-Venice-Jenkins-Glyndebourne-Festival/dp/156127044X
The dance scenes are spectacular.
Lukas
May 8th, 2008 at 16:02
I was in Venice last year. Visited the famous beach in question, the Lido. A few cute euroteens in speedos, but alas no Tadzio. :-(
May 8th, 2008 at 19:03
Lucian
I stand corrected lol. Though Marlon Brando ummm :) The younger version..naturally!
May 9th, 2008 at 13:28
A great plot. Thanks for sharing it with us. Ahhhhhhhh youth, beauty and the dreams…………………………………………..
May 9th, 2008 at 13:30
Thanks for sharing it with us. Ahhhh.. youth. beauty and dreams……………..
May 9th, 2008 at 13:57
I didn’t think that the old man was that bad looking . or the young one either . thanks for explaining the dye .
May 10th, 2008 at 09:08
ohhh…. Tadzio is so damn beautiful <3 *sighs*
May 13th, 2008 at 15:00
Come on, guys.
This was one of the most beautiful movies with the most beautiful boy ever.
I’m sure we can all relate.
Tell me you never saw someone so outrageously beautiful that you didn’t turn to look or even follow him.
I have. Almost every day.
May 14th, 2008 at 14:03
great film; great comments; much thanks
May 14th, 2008 at 19:27
May there, pray, be ever more Tadzio soon!