Comments on: Jacques d’Adelswärd-Fersen http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/ The Boys Blog Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:15:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Josh~ http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-39174 Josh~ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:05:01 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-39174 Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

]]> By: Rob http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-39173 Rob Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:51:29 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-39173 Why choose Capri to do 'his dirty deeds'...? Did he know, already, and, was it because, Tiberius Caesar had done the same on same island? Why choose Capri to do ‘his dirty deeds’…?

Did he know, already, and, was it because, Tiberius Caesar had done the same on same island?

]]> By: Josh http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-14193 Josh Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:38:37 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-14193 Thanks for your comments boys, I knew some people would appreciate it. @erik Nah, Krupp is elder and German ^^ Thanks for your comments boys, I knew some people would appreciate it.

@erik
Nah, Krupp is elder and German ^^

]]> By: erik http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-14189 erik Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:22:52 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-14189 krupp? krupp?

]]> By: Lucian http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-14147 Lucian Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:43:19 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-14147 Thank you for drawing our attention to this intriguing figure, of whom I'd heard absolutely nothing before now. As I'm only sixteen (so there, Starboy), I've only recently become aware of the Uranian poets and contemporary homosexual and pederastic movements; d’Adelswärd-Fersen adds a little extra depth to the picture. Like some of the previous commentators, I'd like to voice my support for these astute posts, and for more exploration of queer history: I personally find it fascinating to delve into my "heritage" as an ephebophile and homosexual, and I imagine there are others out there who feel the same. Moreover, the peculiar isolation of those in a sexual minority (in comparison to other minority groups) means that sources such as this outstanding blog are often the only points of access to that heritage. It’s strange: in many ways I’ve grown up with Wilde (I remember <I>The Selfish Giant</I> being read to me when I was very young), and I always had an inkling of how much he suffered for his sexuality, but not until this year have I begun to appreciate what a genius he truly was. Perhaps the witticisms and the aestheticism tend to disguise it, but it’s undeniably there: witness the eloquence of his famous impromptu oratory at his trial: - <i>"The Love that dare not speak its name" in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between David and Jonathan, such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare. It is that deep, spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as the "Love that dare not speak its name," and on account of it I am placed where I am now. It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. It is intellectual, and it repeatedly exists between an elder and a younger man, when the elder man has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and glamour of life before him. That it should be so, the world does not understand. The world mocks at it and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it."</i> If anyone's interested, there's a clip of the wonderful Stephen Fry delivering it here; I think it derives from a film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=253cKBOW4I4 Sorry for being verbose. Speak its name! Thank you for drawing our attention to this intriguing figure, of whom I’d heard absolutely nothing before now. As I’m only sixteen (so there, Starboy), I’ve only recently become aware of the Uranian poets and contemporary homosexual and pederastic movements; d’Adelswärd-Fersen adds a little extra depth to the picture. Like some of the previous commentators, I’d like to voice my support for these astute posts, and for more exploration of queer history: I personally find it fascinating to delve into my “heritage” as an ephebophile and homosexual, and I imagine there are others out there who feel the same. Moreover, the peculiar isolation of those in a sexual minority (in comparison to other minority groups) means that sources such as this outstanding blog are often the only points of access to that heritage.

It’s strange: in many ways I’ve grown up with Wilde (I remember The Selfish Giant being read to me when I was very young), and I always had an inkling of how much he suffered for his sexuality, but not until this year have I begun to appreciate what a genius he truly was. Perhaps the witticisms and the aestheticism tend to disguise it, but it’s undeniably there: witness the eloquence of his famous impromptu oratory at his trial: –

“The Love that dare not speak its name” in this century is such a great affection of an elder for a younger man as there was between David and Jonathan, such as Plato made the very basis of his philosophy, and such as you find in the sonnets of Michelangelo and Shakespeare. It is that deep, spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art like those of Shakespeare and Michelangelo, and those two letters of mine, such as they are. It is in this century misunderstood, so much misunderstood that it may be described as the “Love that dare not speak its name,” and on account of it I am placed where I am now. It is beautiful, it is fine, it is the noblest form of affection. There is nothing unnatural about it. It is intellectual, and it repeatedly exists between an elder and a younger man, when the elder man has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope and glamour of life before him. That it should be so, the world does not understand. The world mocks at it and sometimes puts one in the pillory for it.”

If anyone’s interested, there’s a clip of the wonderful Stephen Fry delivering it here; I think it derives from a film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=253cKBOW4I4

Sorry for being verbose. Speak its name!

]]> By: easyimaclergyman http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-14138 easyimaclergyman Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:18:18 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-14138 wow, im 18 and i take offense to all that you said there starboy, but moving on, this story, for some strange striking fancy, reminds me of the movie cruel intentions with ronald phillpe and sarah michelle gellar. which ironically is based on a book about french aristocrats and literally transliterated into enlish. really interesting to go back and watch it now 10 years later because it really strikes chords about human sexuality and the relationship between puritans, hedonists and those in the middle grounds. the latter being the most foolish, former the most tortured and the first the most self loathing. ^_^ wow, im 18 and i take offense to all that you said there starboy, but moving on, this story, for some strange striking fancy, reminds me of the movie cruel intentions with ronald phillpe and sarah michelle gellar. which ironically is based on a book about french aristocrats and literally transliterated into enlish. really interesting to go back and watch it now 10 years later because it really strikes chords about human sexuality and the relationship between puritans, hedonists and those in the middle grounds. the latter being the most foolish, former the most tortured and the first the most self loathing. ^_^

]]> By: starboy http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-14091 starboy Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:17:55 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-14091 It is a bold decision to put a big slap of words here on the blog,since all the young kids bitch all the time if they have to read more than ten lines,and most people cave in on those protests.Glad to see you dont,that`ll teach them, those spoilt egocentric couldnt/care lesskids of today with an attentionspan of a newyork minute!!.Its time for yalls education!!culture !! hooray for Josh.ciao starboy. It is a bold decision to put a big slap of words here on the blog,since all the young kids bitch all the time if they have to read more than ten lines,and most people cave in on those protests.Glad to see you dont,that`ll teach them, those spoilt egocentric couldnt/care lesskids of today with an attentionspan of a newyork minute!!.Its time for yalls education!!culture !! hooray for Josh.ciao starboy.

]]> By: Octavian http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-14088 Octavian Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:58:51 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-14088 I agree with Karl, Tristan and Mat. I've never heard of the guy before - but now I want to know more... Thanks for posting this really interesting piece. I agree with Karl, Tristan and Mat. I’ve never heard of the guy before – but now I want to know more… Thanks for posting this really interesting piece.

]]> By: mat http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-14018 mat Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:22:44 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-14018 Very interesting indeed ^^) Very interesting indeed ^^)

]]> By: Tristan http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/comment-page-1/#comment-14016 Tristan Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:19:02 +0000 http://blog.milkboys.org/article/jacques-dadelswrd-fersen/#comment-14016 Thanks Josh, interesting stuff! Keep up the good works! Peace Tristan Thanks Josh, interesting stuff! Keep up the good works! Peace Tristan

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