Pablo is a lonely boy of 13, with a troublesome past. Much of the reasons for this remains a mystery until a stranger arrives on the scene. An oddly calm and well-dressed man ‘meets’ the young boy on a quiet country road, where, supposedly, his car just broke down. The stranger appears, nonetheless more interested in the boy than attempting to solve his problem. Despite at first maintaining a precautious distance, despite warnings from certain villagers, Pablo slowly loses all his protective layers, opens up to the man, and gradually sees in him a friend.

I wanted this film to be nothing else than a reference point in the world of film, in terms of hyper indie films. I wanted to give back what indie films so rarely ever attempt to portray: visual poetry. – Iván Noel, Director

En Tu Ausencia (In you Absence) covers very vividly the transition of childhood to adolescence, the discovery (the confusion) of sexuality (also through his only friend, the shameless 15 year old Julia), and the importance that seemingly meaningless events can take in the mind of a growing boy. From a friend, to close friend, the boy finally sees in this stranger, the one person who appears to understand him : almost a replacement father. And thus his affection for this man grows as he nears, quite unknowingly, blindly towards the tragedy that is to mark him permanently.

He had no problems (nor did his parents) with masturbation scenes and nude scenes, which is no big deal in coming-of-age-films in Spain. Spain is still a far cry from the absurd repressions of neighbouring countries. – Iván Noel about Gonzalo, the leading actor, in an interview with Destroyer

75 Responses to “En Tu Ausencia”
  1. Mr. M Identicon Icon Mr. M BRAZIL says:

    I didn’t find it on IMDB :(

  2. Alley Cat Identicon Icon Alley Cat UNITED STATES says:

    Can we buy a DVD somewhere?

  3. teroquato Identicon Icon teroquato GERMANY says:

    As far as I know, it´s not out on DVD up to now, but just appearing in different festivals. As soon as a DVD will be available, we´ll try to have it available in our shop Buchladen Erlkoenig in Stuttgart – as other “milky” films featured here (f.e. the italian “Ballo a tre passi” appearing here a few weeks ago.)
    You will not necessarily find everything on the website http://www.gaybooks.de (which is a collaboration of Gay Bookshops in Germany), because there may be copyright restrictions. So please ask directly if in doubt…
    (I hope this will not appear as obstrusive commercial advertising – but be assured we´re not only in it for the money!)

  4. CycyLolo Identicon Icon CycyLolo FRANCE says:

    We hope this movie will be available soon on dvd or in theaters…

  5. JP Identicon Icon JP UNITED KINGDOM says:

    Where can I get this Film?

  6. Crash Identicon Icon Crash UNITED STATES says:

    I can’t find a torrent or any mention of this movie anywhere. If somebody runs across it, please let me know

  7. BDogg Identicon Icon BDogg UNITED STATES says:

    Just to clarify, the download is the clip shown above, not the film.

  8. am0rs Identicon Icon am0rs GERMANY says:

    I hope you don’t consider this to be spam, but I wonder if the movie “XXY” wasn’t of your interest. OK, it’s not about boys – at least, not exactly. Unfortunately, I haven’t found an english trailer, but a German

    http://www.xxy-film.de/

    (There’s also a TV broadcast from “aspekte” that deals wirh the subject: http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/content/512162)

    and the original one in Spanish:

    http://xxylapelicula.puenzo.com/main.html

    The movie will start on June 26th in Germany. It promises to be some heavy brain-input.

  9. iluvsleepovers Identicon Icon iluvsleepovers CANADA says:

    in the movie they used the fake word “alot” in the subtitles…

  10. Mon Dieu Identicon Icon Mon Dieu UNITED STATES says:

    CycyLolo, I would have guessed this boy to be below your target age range. Pray tell!

  11. John Identicon Icon John FRANCE says:

    I’ve read the book who inspired the film. A very good story with tension…

  12. Timmy Identicon Icon Timmy UNITED STATES says:

    wow, what a trip. I would like to see the movie……

  13. max Identicon Icon max CANADA says:

    This was mentioned in Destroyer a while back, I’ve been waiting for it to come out. The boy is cool. Only thing is, that guy kinda creeps me out. Just seems like a creepy pedo guy. That’s the last thing I want to be when I grow up.

  14. Andrew Identicon Icon Andrew AUSTRALIA says:

    @ Max: It’s the facial hair and thehand on the knee, isn’t it?

  15. kitler Identicon Icon kitler UNITED STATES says:

    Yea I agree with Max.

    The boy is really cute, but the guy… The guy ruins it.

  16. indigo Identicon Icon indigo UNITED STATES says:

    it’s too confusing is he his father? Is he a pedo? i guess I’ll have to watch the movie. by the way if someone approached me like that I would freak, and when I grow up i don’t want to be like that guy either Max.

  17. Fulcher Identicon Icon Fulcher GERMANY says:

    hm, I would be suprised, if the movie doesn’t turn out in the end to be one of these typical “pedomaniapoorboybadguy”-films, but maybe I’m wrong, I dunno…..

  18. Uran Identicon Icon Uran ARGENTINA says:

    I have not seen the movie, but I regret saying that nowadays almost it is not possible to speak about the BLove without criminalizing it. I do not blame the artists, at least we can see a child as Gonzalo, in a history that us concerns. If Ivan was not showing the BLove under a reproving look, it would be immediately catalogued as pedophile…

  19. Soylent Green Identicon Icon Soylent Green UNITED STATES says:

    What happened to your “Into the Green” post? Censorship already on the first day with your new server?

  20. Josh Identicon Icon Josh GERMANY says:

    @Soylent Green
    Yepp, some idiot thought he has to complain about us at our hoster. But we will move to an “adult” hoster today anyways so we don’t need that much passwords anymore.

  21. CycyLolo Identicon Icon CycyLolo FRANCE says:

    @Mon Dieu:
    ???? What’s the point???? Do we know each other???

  22. Ynoel Identicon Icon Ynoel SPAIN says:

    Hi guys,

    Just to say that this stunningly beautiful (and uncensored!) coming of age movie has been selected for the Vancouver Film Festival this September.
    Look out for it then if you are in the region.
    The film is due to come out in DVD in 3 months time (Vanguard International Cinema)
    The same director also just finished shooting his second feature – a very powerful and honest story of the difficult relationship between a father and his 12 year old son. It’s called ‘Brecha’.

  23. suzan Identicon Icon suzan UNITED STATES says:

    Looking forward to seeing both movies by Ivan Noel. Met the director on a train this summer. Film trailers are stunning,!

  24. weirdal Identicon Icon weirdal CANADA says:

    just saw this movie tonight at the vancouver film festival. they showed it unedited – nudity and everything. i was shocked and i heard ‘gasps’ of disbelief from the audience. oddly enough though, the place was packed and they knew exactly what the movie was about but wanted to see it anyway. the director was there and he talked about the sexuality of the movie with the young boy actor and how Westerners may perceive the film. bravo to the festival for taking the chance and showing it ‘all’. they are also screening the movie for high school kids this week!!! wtf??? the whole point of the movie is youth sexuality – is he gay, is he not, is he the protagonist in the relationship with the man, jerking off on a mountain side?? is this what they should be showing kids??? i was waiting for the cops to kick the door in and take the director away in handcuffs. one thing i found odd tho is that the 99 minute version was seen but amazon is selling a 136 minute dvd???? does anyone know what that version will have that the one i saw tonight will not have????

  25. Josh Identicon Icon Josh GERMANY says:

    @weirdal
    It would be strange if one wouldn’t show a film about the concerns of youth to the people who are affected by these concerns — the youth. But as we know society doesn’t care for logic much.

  26. aha Identicon Icon aha SLOVENIA says:

    I love this site.

    When will this film be available as a torrent or on emule?

  27. Ivan Noel Identicon Icon Ivan Noel SPAIN says:

    Hi there,

    …dudes, I hope you will support the film and DVD (and not download on emule etc.) …These films have a real hard time getting support. I sold my house to make it, and have not made one euro on it yet at all, two years later. Love to make more, and more ‘real’ cinema’, but wont be able to if the dvd isnt supported.
    only 13$ on amazon, they’re selling this december.
    Thanks guys,

    Ivan Noel, films director

  28. BB Identicon Icon BB GERMANY says:

    Dear Ivan Noel,

    I put the DVD already on my wishlist — simply because a download would not good enough for me! Keep on with your good work; can’t wait to watch EN TU AUSENCIA and BRECHA :-)))

  29. krneki2 Identicon Icon krneki2 SLOVENIA says:

    The DVD was released on 23th December but there is still no torrent. Why? Did somebody buy the DVD?

  30. weirdal Identicon Icon weirdal CANADA says:

    are u retarded? the producer and director visits this blog and you talk about downloading it. drop 17 bucks and support the filmmaker. hell, azov was selling it for 9 bucks. sheesh pathetic.

  31. krneki2 Identicon Icon krneki2 SLOVENIA says:

    Well, i’m sorry but i’m 15 and it would be pretty awkard if i would buy the dvd online and the postman would deliver it to my house and the parents would ask me what did i get, wouldn’t it?

  32. Ivan Noel Identicon Icon Ivan Noel SPAIN says:

    Hi all,

    Yes, if you can, support the film that has just come out at Amazon (and not download it). It’s not the sort of DVD that needs to be wrapped in a brown paper bag: a serious ‘world film’ that did very well in its premiere in Vancouver (now in Palm Springs).
    Why support? It’s a hyper indie film, no finances from anywhere at all. I sold my house to make it. Any future related film will depend 100% on the sales of this DVD, and I’ve got a damn good script for the next one!

    thanks guys

  33. Indieflicklover Identicon Icon Indieflicklover UNITED STATES says:

    Hi Ivan Noel I just received my dvd and enjoyed the film. The only thing is the ending. Could you explain to us on the imdb forum for the film please. There a topic already created.

    Surprised how good the film looked with a budget of $500,000.

  34. krneki2 Identicon Icon krneki2 SLOVENIA says:

    Indieflicklover, can u make a dvdrip and post it on one of the torrent sites?

    Please, please, i am dying to see this movie.

  35. Indieflicklover Identicon Icon Indieflicklover UNITED STATES says:

    Sorry I can not but I can suggest for you a free way to watch it legally. Why not just rent it from blockbuster or netflix by trying out their service ? I know netflix has it.

  36. krneki2 Identicon Icon krneki2 SLOVENIA says:

    Well i’m not from USA and i don’t have a credit card, so that isn’t possible.

  37. Ivan Noel Identicon Icon Ivan Noel SPAIN says:

    to krneki2

    As you know I’m the director and producer of In Your Absence. As I already mentioned above I sold litterally everything I had to make it. I also already mentioned I have not had a single cent back from it, and the only way I am able to continue making films is through the (very cheap) dvd sales.
    Now I understand there might be some complications for you to get a copy, but…
    What are you playing at?! You are flaunting your illegal behaviour on the site, and even pushing poeple to pirate the film. You have no shame at all? No respect for the filmmakers? For the film itself?
    At the very worst, seeing as though the actual filmmaker wrote here, you might have asked to be sent a complimentary copy. For god’s sake stop being so incredibly disrespectful to this film.

  38. Josh Identicon Icon Josh GERMANY says:

    Guys, please stop asking for Downloads of this movie.

    I really don’t care if you download films made by big production companies who are earning a hell load of money anyways but let’s try to be more respectful about independent productions — especially if they are brave enough to tell the stories Hollywood is afraid of.

  39. Indieflicklover Identicon Icon Indieflicklover UNITED STATES says:

    Ivan Noel and Josh very well said.

    krneki2 there is still always the other dvd rental services overseas. Like lovefilms, etc and prepaid debt/credit cards so that should not be a problem still. If that is still to much trouble then oh well I tried. I was going to rent it first myself but decided just to buy it. Glad I did.

  40. Indieflicklover Identicon Icon Indieflicklover UNITED STATES says:

    Josh I think you hit the nail on the head. The courage it takes to direct these kind of films that Hollywood is not willing to risk doing because they know it would fail at the box office is what I love. It has to take a great deal of courage to direct these kind of films because I am sure you still have people trying to boycott them even if they are not very well known. Who knows some people who are help making the film may not agree with it as well. It just may not be known because they don’t say anything. Very possible.

    Ivan Noel is your next film going to look like a actual movie like En Tu Ausencia did ? I don’t know why but sometimes I have trouble watching films that don’t look like a actual movie but more like from a home video camera. I don’t know much about movie making but I been told a lot of this is because of the type of camera used and the lighting plays a big part. I never realized how much of a huge difference lighting could make. It makes people look totally different and more movie like. For example when you see a famous person in a film they look different than in person. I guess it all has to do with the lighting. I always noticed this.

    One more question have you seen the Swedish horror film Let The Right One In yet? If so how did you like it?

  41. majax Identicon Icon majax UNITED STATES says:

    Does anyone know if I can pay to download the movie online?

  42. oaksong Identicon Icon oaksong UNITED STATES says:

    I just rented this from Netflix….

  43. alast4me Identicon Icon alast4me UNITED STATES says:

    Does anyone know if the US version is censored? The movie seems too mainstream (ie. amazon and netflix) to allow for nude images.

  44. weirdal Identicon Icon weirdal CANADA says:

    it’s uncensored but there is an extended version coming out in a few months on dvd and blu-ray.

  45. Josh~ Identicon Icon Josh~ GERMANY says:

    @weirdal
    Ow? Any idea what made them releasing another version so much later?

  46. weirdal Identicon Icon weirdal CANADA says:

    european market.

  47. lasse Identicon Icon lasse THAILAND says:

    I have seen films that is Beautifu, Lasse Nielse.
    see my new tralier. from my new movie ,,The Story of Net,,.
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  48. Lukas Identicon Icon Lukas UNITED STATES says:

    I just purchased & viewed the film “En Tu Ausencia”.

    Ivan Noel made a beautiful movie but man o man o man he portrayed the boylover as a trickster of the worst sort.

    Ivan Noel please do not perpetuate the lies about us who love boys: Please. What an awful self pitting un-understanding the boylover Paco was. The boy Pablo was scared for life and all Paco could do was think of his own suffering. In real life we are not that way. Well maybe some of us are: Darn.

    Disclaimer: I have no one here in mind, no one.

    SPOILER — do not read further without being forewarned.

    Actually Paco (The Man) was not a boylover. He was pretending to be one and won the heart and love of the boy only to dash it when Pablo discovered him in bed with his mom making fun of how easy Pablo was to fool.

    When Pablo was a young adult listening to Paco explain … he heard Paco say to him, “I don’t suppose you have any idea what it is to love a person and then lose them.” Wow what an insensitive ignoramus. Pablo had loved his Papa and Paco and had lost them both. Pablo was left devastated.

    So Paco was not a boylover. What he was was a self pitting heterosexual man without any understanding of the love between boys and the men in their lives.

    Thank you Ivan Noel for showing us how ignorant heterosexuals really are.
    Lukas
    PS: Buy The Film “En Tu Ausencia” helping both Noel and yourself. L

  49. Ivan Noel Identicon Icon Ivan Noel SPAIN says:

    Hi guys,

    …Mmmm interesting development in this thread. I was told that there are as many interpretations of a film than there are individuals, but…
    Hope not to offend anyone but there isn’t any ‘boylover’ in the story as far as I am concerned, not even half of one. (there is though the very nasty opportunist – the postman).
    I am simply playing with how poeple these days filter information and convert them into something they are not – if that makes sense.
    For North Americans and British poeple, all you have to do is have a man look at any child that isnt his own (and even then…) and they already start interpeting it as perverted (a survey was carried out a while ago in which a photo of a man in the company of 7 year old footballers was shown, and 80% of British, when asked what they saw, replied ‘A peadophile’). Very few poeple have any idea quite of extraordinarily damaging that is for children, teachers, adults, and the natural contact bewteen each group. The very soul has been sucked out of education, voluntary work is suspicious, poeple are frightened, it causes a domino effects felt in more areas than anyone cares to believe. Quite simply, we are sacrificing a generation of children for the sake of a mismanaged guilt by adults who over-sacrilise kids in order to paliate an emotional vacuum.
    It takes on incredible levels sometimes: I had a mother admit that when she saw my film she almost vomited when she saw paco put a hand on the kids knee…
    That is a profoundly disturbed society that is capable of forcing such extreme emotions on a completely anodine gesture.

    So, no, really, the actor Paco is not even pretending to be interested in Pablo, I don’t think he is even vaguely aware of a possible role of BL. He is just playing with the fact the kid needs a presence, a friend, someone to love. No deeper than that.
    How Pablo, the kid, interprets that is quite another matter, though.

  50. Ivan Noel Identicon Icon Ivan Noel SPAIN says:

    Hi again,
    sorry to be back so soon, butjust after writing the above, I came across this article, which underlines exactly what I said.
    Incredible statistics… 25% school with no males? Damn. Even I wasn’t aware of the extent of things in that country.

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/blog/talking_politics/article/26900/

  51. Lukas Identicon Icon Lukas UNITED STATES says:

    I know when the men in my life back in the 1950’s when I was Pablo’s age touched my knee it was sexual. Those touches may as well have been and probably were anodyne as in becoming equal with each other. When I have done the same thing with a boy it has been the same. It is a way of saying we are equal , I feel your pain, i.e., an anodyne gesture.

    Man-o-man-o-man in the culture we live in now here in the USA no more of that kind of behavior. How sad. I have such fond memories of the men who touched me. Loved them right through to the end of their lives. They were not tricking me like Paco was tricking Pablo. He was tricking Pablo. Paco wanted to be with Pablo’s mom whom he loved. Don’t you remember your movie? Just kidding Ivan. The more I think about your movie the more I appreciate it. Thank you for it.
    Lukas,
    PS: Thinking of the boy who played Pablo. Remember the boy Laurent in Louis Malle’s film “Murmur of The Heart”? As an adult he was interviewed and asked if playing that part had affected him at school. He said, “No, every once in a while my pals would ask me how my mom was.” Then he went on to comment on what a shrimp he was back then. Makes me smile. What shrimps most all of us were back then: Beautiful Shrimps. L
    PSS: Look over on Bleeding Queers and a picture from your film on May 18. You will see some comments and see how I came about knowing about your film. http://bleedingqueers995.blogspot.com/
    L

  52. El Zorro Identicon Icon El Zorro SPAIN says:

    Un mensaje por Sñr Ivan Noel. Primero pido las disculpas por mi español. Como hombre ingles, viviendo en españa, he buscado en varios tiendas (como El Corte Ingles, Fnac etc) una copia de tu DVD pero hasta ahora, no lo he encontrado en ningún sitio. Me puedes decir si sale el DVD en las tiendas ó si tengo que pedirlo por el internet. Me gustaria mucho a comprarlo.

    Un saludo

    El Zorro

  53. GN Identicon Icon GN IRELAND says:

    Just saw this movie and have to say it was a brilliant. That’s two bona fide classics from Europe I’ve seen this year; Let the Right One in and now En Tu Ausencia. For any one worrying about buying this on Amazon- don’t. Worth every cent.

  54. Ivan Noel Identicon Icon Ivan Noel SPAIN says:

    Yeah, I have to agree, I thought it was BRILLIANT as well!

    I meant Let The Right One In, of course.
    :-)

    p.s. Para El Zorro, No esta todavía en Fnac etc. pero si por internet, aunque que versión de por allí.

  55. Franz Identicon Icon Franz UNITED STATES says:

    I saw ETA a couple of months ago. One of the things that struck me about it was how beautifully and sensitively photographed it was. I could smell the dust and almost feel the shimmering of the trees and the ripples of the water. Images like candy!

    As an aside, I never saw Paco as a boylover, but as a scheming manipulator, using the boy. It almost broke my heart when Pablo offers himself to him at the river. And he is not rebuffed— he is ignored. So much worse. In some ways that was the emotional climax of the film for me. All was downhill from there, after the boy has been betrayed.

    Every year I see a few (very few!) films that stay with me. One of the all time greats was, and is, AU REVOIR LES ENFANTS. ETA is such a film. Sr. Noel has earned my gratitude, and respect.

  56. Franz Identicon Icon Franz UNITED STATES says:

    Before I posted I hadn’t read every comment on this thread. I just went back and noticed the request by one poster for a “freeby” of the film.

    We have no right to decry the absence of films that we want to see when we try to short-change the artists who are trying to make those very films.

    I saw ETA on my Netflix subscription. But now I am going to buy my own copy of it.

    I won’t feel right until I do.

    C’mon, guys: let’s put our money where our mouths are. It won’t hurt that bad at all.

  57. GT Identicon Icon GT IRELAND says:

    @ Franz

    I second that. This is a film that is of great interest to gay people and people with an interest in teenage boys. It is a clever, gutsy film. It avoids cliches and tells a tale that mainstream film making would never do.

    Buy the film and support a new film makers talent.

  58. Lukas Identicon Icon Lukas UNITED STATES says:

    Yes Franz, Pablo was ignored. Paco simply didn’t get it did he. I think that is what Ivan Noel said he was trying to show: That people simply don’t get how they come across to other, i.e., all self absorbed. Just remember how Paco talked to the adult Pablo at the end of the film. Man-o-man that left Pablo dazed.

    I sure hope we can get Ivan Noel really on the side of boylovers. I think he should be taking part in the discussions over on Sidney’s Bleeding Queers: http://bleedingqueers995.blogspot.com/ Just try to slowly take us in.
    Lukas

  59. Ivan Noel Identicon Icon Ivan Noel SPAIN says:

    Dear guys,

    Without wanting to take part in a point by point discussion (delighted, but not the right place here), the film was obviously not about BL or not BL, it was ultimately only about the kid.
    Paco is the representation of how adults can ignore (or forget) quite how important and sensitive those years of our lives are.
    The film, I hope, is devoid of any morality for moralities sake. Even the horrid postman’s abuse can be interpreted as something else.

    The issue is not being one thing or the other, or the director being part of one group or the other, it about being good or being bad. This basic Truth is blind to any one fashion, trend, hysteria, or morality-of-the-month. Everyone knows if they are good or not. There are wicked and good people in every group of society, it is not one sexualities monopoly to be ‘bad’ (in which case heterosexuality would fare very badly statistically speaking). This ‘fact’ simply doesn’t exist without inviting a massive hypocrisy.
    Take the ’swine flu’. This year nearly half a million poeple will die of common flu. Only 100 have dies of swine flu. Yet we are hysterical about swine flu. Because it is unknown.
    If the truth were known, things would be very different indeed. …No more finger pointing by anyone.

    What i tried to show in the film was the truth of what a young lad like Pablo might have felt in real life. Not an adult extrapolation, or moulded and manipulated truth on so-called childhood, but actually what a relatively free kid would feel. Paco is irrelevant as a person, he is a representation only.

    Wow, that was light…

  60. Gee Identicon Icon Gee IRELAND says:

    In fairness I didn’t see the film as a BL film. Sure it would of interest to BLs, but what struck me more was the lifes of people in a small community and how they interacted. Growing up in such a place it really struck a chord. The film captured the confusion, both mentally and sexually, of a troubled teen boy, but to me its a universal tale and should be seen as such. I guess what I’m trying to say is that the main reason I loved the film was the fact that I enjoyed it as a good old fashioned tale, told well and without compromise.

  61. El Zorro Identicon Icon El Zorro SPAIN says:

    Dear Ivan

    Thanks for the response. Shame the film isn’t available through the Spanish outlets yet. Any idea how long before it will be ? I guess I will just have to use Amazon to purchase the film. I am longing to take part in the discussions on the film but until I have seen it, that will have to wait.

    Problem is, there appears to be 2 versions on the Amazon site. Is there a difference or are there simply two different covers. I would obviously prefer the more “complete” version, rather than any shortened edited version.

    Advice from anyone here would be appreciated.

    El Zorro

  62. пyпcя Identicon Icon пyпcя VENEZUELA says:

    Дая раньше тоже так думал… Сейчас переосмыслил

  63. Lukas Identicon Icon Lukas UNITED STATES says:

    Ivan Noel,
    As I realized what your film was really about (your explanations) the more and more I appreciated it. Thanx!

    And El Zoorro,
    I purchased the 99 minute version before realizing there was a 136 minute version. So I ordered the 136 minute version. I have no idea the difference but will let you know in a week or so.

    Yes Ivan Noel,
    Your film appeals to us boylovers. Maybe it will be a boylover who comes up with the societal systems that will make our lives much better … finding answers for the terrible behaviors we are all capable of: He will because of his basic motivation and follow-on education/experiences. I am thinking of several men who have helped us all with big steps forward with this motivation inside of them.

    Hey Ivan Noel,
    I am buying your films and looking forward to purchasing “Brecha”:
    http://www.trailerspy.com/trailer/1160/Brecha-a-film-by-Ivan-Noel-3min-trailer
    Lukas

  64. El Zorro Identicon Icon El Zorro SPAIN says:

    Hi Lukas

    Thanks for the info about the two different versions, although please don’t give the story away to me until I have seen the film. Is there anyway on Amazon to see which version is which ? For example, is it the longer version, the 2009 one with the Vanguard cover ?

    Thanks

    El Zorro

  65. Lukas Identicon Icon Lukas UNITED STATES says:

    El,
    Yes “Vanguard” is the 136 minute version.
    Lukas

  66. Lukas Identicon Icon Lukas UNITED STATES says:

    Ivan Noel,
    I was thinking about you when I was out jogging in the wilderness this morning. Also I was thinking about the late and great French filmmaker Louis Malle. I think Louie would say to your comment about people identifying the man with the 7-year-old as a pedophile, “So – What is wrong with being a pedophile?” Louie always asked the question, “Who is wrong/what is wrong?” in his movies.

    This question began with his 11-year-old experience when a Nazi Officer was asking the boys in his Catholic Boarding School to disclose the Jewish boy they were hiding. Louis accidently made eye contact with his friend, the officer saw it and took the boy away. The boy died in a concentration camp.

    This traumatic experience worked on Louis causing him to ask that question over and over, “Whose fault was it/what is wrong anyway? In the case of him exposing his friend to the Nazi Officer it was not Louie’s fault it was the fault of the Nazis and before that the fault of leaders and people all over the world that let the sequence of events that brought about the Nazis happen.

    May you Ivan Noel become as good a thinker as Louis Malle.
    Lukas
    PS: This weekend I am watching a documentary Malle made “Phantom India” (363 minutes) learning all I missed during the 10 years I made an industrial product in Calcutta for export to the USA. L

    PSS: Louis actually made a delightful movie concerning the subject of pedophilia: “Zazie Dans Le Metro”. It is a novel (same title) by Raymond Queneau for those of you who read French. L

    PSSS: Best to you always Ivan Noel. L

  67. Ivan Noel Identicon Icon Ivan Noel SPAIN says:

    Louis Malle, as many european filmmakers back in a less morally regressive era, I don’t think attempted to portray anything specifically ‘pedophile’. Or if he did it was in the real original greek sense of the word. It’s only that doing honest films with youngsters in them, …how could you escape such themes? It simply wouldn’t be honest anymore, or not real. In those days,you were entitled to be at one with the truth of these various situations (’Souffle au Coeur’ where the growing boy does naughty with his mother, etc.).
    These days truth or at least those truths are savagely repressed. The truer a film is, the more virulent poeple get, as it becomes dangerous for their morals.
    It is a very difficult balancing act as a film director to tell certain truths about youngsters and not end up in court for doing so.

    You know that my film is hardly very ‘polemical’, and certainly nothing of the ilke of ‘1900′ etc., but it still had poeple walking out of the theatre in England. One wanted to call police about the film. We had that ‘vomiting woman’ I mentioned …which is of course very funny, because that is what i set out to do in the first place – provoke reactions where, in actual fact, where there is strictly nothing there! They are expressing their own thoughts, not mine!

    I saw and have the Indian film by Malle. Quite a marathon! You maybe dont know his experimental early films, where pigs and naked children play in a bizarre garden? …not my cup of tea, but he certainly was an interesting filmmaker. The sort that can no longer exist.

    Now let’s see what Heneke has in store for us with his new Cannes winner ‘the white ribbon’. Heneke is the only ‘Malle’ left.

  68. El Zorro Identicon Icon El Zorro SPAIN says:

    Thanks Lukas

    I shall be ordering that for myself very soon. All I need to do then is take a quick trip around the country here and get it signed. I am sure that in a few years, a signed copy will be worth quite a bit.

    El Zorro

  69. Lukas Identicon Icon Lukas UNITED STATES says:

    Ivan Noel,
    Malle was incredible wasn’t he. Michael Haneke — “Time of The Wolf”. Oh wow! You have to make yourself naked and jump into the fire (Metaphor) to be one of the “Just” ones. I am so looking forward to seeing “White Ribbon”.

    That experimental movie of Malle’s you refer to is “Black Moon” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072709/plotsummary Yes! I have it. The girl gives herself to the old woman.

    About getting naked and jumping into the fire my favorite Israeli General Moshe Dayan said, “If your enemy has a big gun pointed right at you get under a rock.” Guess that means you have to chose the right time to get naked and jump into the fire.

    Looking forward to more Ivan Noel as I think everyone here is .. fingers crossed for you. I cannot express enough how grateful I am that you have engaged with me in this conversation.
    Lukas
    PS: As for the original Greek idea of pedophilia. Malle said that if you try to artificially reproduce something from the past it becomes folklore and will die. You have to go back and incorporate what was good in the past into the present — a circular way of progressing. Progress is not linear.

    The great American who helped the Japanese recover after near total devastation after WWII helped them remember that learning / progressing was circular. The member of the Toyoda family that is taking over the helm of Toyota this year has vowed to help them remember what they knew before.
    L

    El,
    Sounds like a nice trip to visit some good / brave people. In my imagination I will be right there with you.
    Lukas

  70. El Zorro Identicon Icon El Zorro SPAIN says:

    Hi Lukas

    Sounds like a nice trip to me too !! But at the moment, it is nothing more than a pipe dream. It is not that I have made any firm plans to travel or to meet anyone, and don’t even know if I would be welcome. But it is nice to dream, isn’t it ? Who knows. Maybe one day.

    El Zorro

  71. weirdal Identicon Icon weirdal CANADA says:

    actually, vanguard’s is the 99 minute version. call them and theyll tell you the same thing. ;)

  72. SLayerboi Identicon Icon SLayerboi UNITED STATES says:

    Its on netflix

  73. Lukas Identicon Icon Lukas UNITED STATES says:

    El,
    I hope you make your trek to Ivan Noel’s village. I think you will be welcomed with open arms at least by the old men in the village square. Hope you get the meet the old guy who stole their radio. Thank goodness for “Old Men” — they have lived it/experienced it all.

    I ran across a Guardian article the other day called “Mad about the boy”:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2007/nov/10/history.society

    My read of this article came to: Boy-love is prevalent in all societies, the Greeks simply were more open about it in their art. In other words it was a media distortion that only the Greeks were up to these deeds. I am thinking about my boy scout experiences in a small industrial town in the middle of the USA in the 1950’s; Hardly Ancient Greece.

    I am looking forward to seeing Michael Haneke’s “White Ribbon” when it comes out on DVD. In the mean time his “Time of The Wolf” is a most thoughtful movie. However, my thoughts on Louis Malle is that Malle was on an entirely different advanced level of good. Just my thought … but I think the thought of many.
    Love to you,
    Best travels to you on your dreamed of trek,
    Lukas

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