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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=ce02c7605c8bbbad8c5fa6392d7a1cad&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/d1adfbabb28bd65.png" alt="aleks Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> aleks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, am constantly alert to the more extreme &quot;Big Brother&quot; tactics that may eventually cause certain individuals personal inconvenience or real harm.  For example, I never registered for the draft, even though I was of draft age in a time when the draft was not in force.  I also have not registered to vote as a member of a specific party, therefore, I cannot be called up for jury duty, among other things.  Anyone who believes that a governmental agency can collect data for the &quot;protection&quot; of any class of individuals without eventually using that data for purposes other than those stated is an idiot!  Information, once collected, is NEVER deleted and is ALWAYS available for use and misuse by the authorities.  Here in the US, I await the day when even the three credit reporting agencies are finally publicly acknowledged to be wholly owned agencies of the government.  Even without such public notice, no-one doubts that such information is readily available to NSA and the Homeland Security forces (the US version of the Nazi&#039;s).

I second Josh&#039;s request, implied in his original post and repeated several times in comments, for someone to translate the 30 page document found at http://www.nrc.nl/redactie/doc/bds.pdf .

I&#039;d really like to know what one of the foremost proponents of freedom, the Dutch, are up to with this extensive questionnaire.  If I attempt to translate it, based solely on the similarities between Dutch words and English words, I&#039;m going to be terribly wrong.  Surely someone, either a Dutch schoolkid or a university professor in any country who teaches the language, can be readily found to translate this document and solve the initial questions detailed herein:  Is the Dutch government collecting information about its citizens that far exceeds its legitimate need for implementing public health initiatives??????

None of us can really say anything until we know who is collecting information, from whom, and for what reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, am constantly alert to the more extreme &#8220;Big Brother&#8221; tactics that may eventually cause certain individuals personal inconvenience or real harm.  For example, I never registered for the draft, even though I was of draft age in a time when the draft was not in force.  I also have not registered to vote as a member of a specific party, therefore, I cannot be called up for jury duty, among other things.  Anyone who believes that a governmental agency can collect data for the &#8220;protection&#8221; of any class of individuals without eventually using that data for purposes other than those stated is an idiot!  Information, once collected, is NEVER deleted and is ALWAYS available for use and misuse by the authorities.  Here in the US, I await the day when even the three credit reporting agencies are finally publicly acknowledged to be wholly owned agencies of the government.  Even without such public notice, no-one doubts that such information is readily available to NSA and the Homeland Security forces (the US version of the Nazi&#8217;s).</p>
<p>I second Josh&#8217;s request, implied in his original post and repeated several times in comments, for someone to translate the 30 page document found at <a href="http://www.nrc.nl/redactie/doc/bds.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrc.nl/redactie/doc/bds.pdf</a> .</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like to know what one of the foremost proponents of freedom, the Dutch, are up to with this extensive questionnaire.  If I attempt to translate it, based solely on the similarities between Dutch words and English words, I&#8217;m going to be terribly wrong.  Surely someone, either a Dutch schoolkid or a university professor in any country who teaches the language, can be readily found to translate this document and solve the initial questions detailed herein:  Is the Dutch government collecting information about its citizens that far exceeds its legitimate need for implementing public health initiatives??????</p>
<p>None of us can really say anything until we know who is collecting information, from whom, and for what reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=ec2f86a16f274c264fdac1e742595b5a&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/7f548f37ea8f069.png" alt="kinkynik Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> kinkynik</title>
		<link>http://blog.milkboys.org/article/big-brother/#comment-35725</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops !

How foolish do I feel now ??

Put the basic error down to old age, bad eye sight, rage at the psuedo fascist implications of your comment , a basic fondness of sarcasm and a need to comply with a dead line elsewhere.

I love Australia and it is high on my list of countries to emigrate to. But the last time I was there it seemed you were starting to combine the worst bits of the European nanny state with the fascist supra-state of the yanks.

The only people who should be afraid are those that don&#039;t fit in to the system.

Do you really think that you can trust your government with a data base that basically means everybody is guily until proven innocent, because I know that we in the Motherland do not trust our state with this.  Do you know how easy it is to use DNA to frame somebody ?

Your &quot;reasoning&quot; is naive in the extreme and reminds me of the plot of Minority Report and look what happened there.

Better to be sent on holiday for nicking a loaf than to be strangled to death for nicking a horse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops !</p>
<p>How foolish do I feel now ??</p>
<p>Put the basic error down to old age, bad eye sight, rage at the psuedo fascist implications of your comment , a basic fondness of sarcasm and a need to comply with a dead line elsewhere.</p>
<p>I love Australia and it is high on my list of countries to emigrate to. But the last time I was there it seemed you were starting to combine the worst bits of the European nanny state with the fascist supra-state of the yanks.</p>
<p>The only people who should be afraid are those that don&#8217;t fit in to the system.</p>
<p>Do you really think that you can trust your government with a data base that basically means everybody is guily until proven innocent, because I know that we in the Motherland do not trust our state with this.  Do you know how easy it is to use DNA to frame somebody ?</p>
<p>Your &#8220;reasoning&#8221; is naive in the extreme and reminds me of the plot of Minority Report and look what happened there.</p>
<p>Better to be sent on holiday for nicking a loaf than to be strangled to death for nicking a horse.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=06c6c53aa2846c07bffd1d57cbd64fdc&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/4d75b1ca7081683.png" alt="Fox Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Fox</title>
		<link>http://blog.milkboys.org/article/big-brother/#comment-35715</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this is true or not, but I do know that in child pornography/abuse investigations identifying the children in photos/videos can be difficult/impossible for the police. So they are in a very frustrating situation of having evidence of abuse, but no idea who is involved. I wonder if this (if it is happening) might actually be more to do with this than medical care? It sounds unworkable though so I still don&#039;t think I can see the need for these data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is true or not, but I do know that in child pornography/abuse investigations identifying the children in photos/videos can be difficult/impossible for the police. So they are in a very frustrating situation of having evidence of abuse, but no idea who is involved. I wonder if this (if it is happening) might actually be more to do with this than medical care? It sounds unworkable though so I still don&#8217;t think I can see the need for these data.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=634aa5324ec055b4e8eac187a6d4e047&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/4076d4567872eee.png" alt="Psych 101 Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Psych 101</title>
		<link>http://blog.milkboys.org/article/big-brother/#comment-35714</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Zufolek you are absolutely correct!  Make all these pictures and videos public and also give us the phone numbers and addresses of the really pretty ones!  Also where they hang out so we can protect them when we see them.  
It has been proved in countless numbers of studies that no one molests ugly kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Zufolek you are absolutely correct!  Make all these pictures and videos public and also give us the phone numbers and addresses of the really pretty ones!  Also where they hang out so we can protect them when we see them.<br />
It has been proved in countless numbers of studies that no one molests ugly kids!</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=52ae0dca85ec328d0163a8be089568f5&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/72b49c81f331f69.png" alt="Chimel Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Chimel</title>
		<link>http://blog.milkboys.org/article/big-brother/#comment-35713</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just answering your first sentence: You are obviously one of these healthy kids. Believe me, it IS needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just answering your first sentence: You are obviously one of these healthy kids. Believe me, it IS needed.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8e2fa07a77c9f0a6fe3afd863d6054d3&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/579d36b6f4553f2.png" alt="The Pope Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> The Pope</title>
		<link>http://blog.milkboys.org/article/big-brother/#comment-35712</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jake
@Andrew

Bless you my boys.  Bless you!  Heil Mary full of grapes and LSD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jake<br />
@Andrew</p>
<p>Bless you my boys.  Bless you!  Heil Mary full of grapes and LSD!</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=71af550927694c0ef7afb55359cfa754&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/b5a752d29f26d5a.png" alt="Mad Dutchmen Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Mad Dutchmen</title>
		<link>http://blog.milkboys.org/article/big-brother/#comment-35711</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Evidence for extensive paedophile networks are found, but none was ever dismantled.&quot;

&quot;I think the general public is scared and has no idea what the politicians are up to.&quot;

THIS ALL SOUNDS SOOOOOOOO AMERICAN!!!   Hallelujah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Evidence for extensive paedophile networks are found, but none was ever dismantled.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I think the general public is scared and has no idea what the politicians are up to.&#8221;</p>
<p>THIS ALL SOUNDS SOOOOOOOO AMERICAN!!!   Hallelujah!</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=71af550927694c0ef7afb55359cfa754&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/b5a752d29f26d5a.png" alt="Mad Dutchmen Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Mad Dutchmen</title>
		<link>http://blog.milkboys.org/article/big-brother/#comment-35710</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever noticed Josh, that every time you call attention to some very negative thing about Holland to a Dutchman you get a lecture about how they have never heard of that and how they are protected under the law and all that nonsense?  

I remember having heard all these same things when the Brongersma Stiftung was first stoned or firebombed, and then later invaded by the police.  

The Dutch are particularly sensitive to any German calling attention to these matters.  They get very sanctimonious over their own behaviour alway ready to justify it as reasonable and necessary.  

And what ever happened to Bernard and his art?  Can someone other than a Dutchman give us an update?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever noticed Josh, that every time you call attention to some very negative thing about Holland to a Dutchman you get a lecture about how they have never heard of that and how they are protected under the law and all that nonsense?  </p>
<p>I remember having heard all these same things when the Brongersma Stiftung was first stoned or firebombed, and then later invaded by the police.  </p>
<p>The Dutch are particularly sensitive to any German calling attention to these matters.  They get very sanctimonious over their own behaviour alway ready to justify it as reasonable and necessary.  </p>
<p>And what ever happened to Bernard and his art?  Can someone other than a Dutchman give us an update?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop trolling Jake xD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop trolling Jake xD</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=778fb08e4195a3a36a40afc6e7383025&#38;size=35&#38;default=http://blog.milkboys.org/wp-content/plugins/wp-identicon/identicon/095f5e971e3573e.png" alt="Jake Identicon Icon" height="35" width="35" /> Jake</title>
		<link>http://blog.milkboys.org/article/big-brother/#comment-35707</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that in the UK they don&#039;t teach national flags and your confusing America (The land of the free) with Australia, the holiday resort you sent all your criminals too because your nation decided that stealing bread was a deportable offense.

DNA data of everyone is a great idea and the only people that should be afraid is people that suspect in the future they may murder, steal or rape... 
Recording what people download is an invasion into privacy, collecting peoples DNA to save countless lives is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that in the UK they don&#8217;t teach national flags and your confusing America (The land of the free) with Australia, the holiday resort you sent all your criminals too because your nation decided that stealing bread was a deportable offense.</p>
<p>DNA data of everyone is a great idea and the only people that should be afraid is people that suspect in the future they may murder, steal or rape&#8230;<br />
Recording what people download is an invasion into privacy, collecting peoples DNA to save countless lives is not.</p>
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